Margaret Youngs (Councillor)

(Margaret Youngs speaking at Temagami Candidate Night. To learn more about the candidate's stance on key election issues, read their interview for Keep Temagami Beautiful below.)

Interviewer: The Temagami Access Road (aka The Mine Road) provides a convenient and centralized access point (and parking) to the Hub area for cottagers, camps, contractors, deliveries, tourists, and guests. In addition, Temagami First Nation manages a sizeable footprint in the vicinity of the Mine and Manitou landings. The Mine Landing is the most convenient trash and recycling point for much of the Lake. However, the road’s location results in many users bypassing the services and access points offered in Town, resulting in lost revenues for businesses.

Q.1a: Do you feel that the Temagami Access Road (aka The Mine Road) has negatively impacted business in the Town of Temagami, and allowed/encouraged lake visitors and residents to shop elsewhere and perhaps not even go into town?

Key Candidate Quote: “I know the road’s a sore point in Town, but they have a long memory… But I see a lot of people that are cottagers and people I know, that are members of this (TLA), probably are members of this, and they specifically go to Town to support the businesses… I don’t think you’re appreciated, really, in the Town… They really have no idea how much of, I would say, an economic benefit it is to have people here on the lake; all the lakes, really…And it’s kind of ironic - I’m probably going on a bit here, but - a lot people live in Town, they don’t shop in Town.” - Margaret Youngs

Candidate Margaret Youngs: Well, I guess it has negatively impacted it, but also positively because people are still driving it and, you know, they have to go to Town for things, so -. I know the road’s a sore point in Town, but they have a long memory.  You know?

Interviewer: You used to use it all the time when your business was here.

Youngs: Exactly, so I would like to improve the road.

Interviewer: So you’re unsure, yes, if it does, or do you think in general it’s a negative factor in Town or it’s -?  I mean, it’s a necessity, it’s there, it’s not going to go away.

Youngs: Well, it’s there and did you want to take it out or not use it? I don’t understand.

Well, one of the customers I used to have at the lodge when we owned it, they kindly shopped in Town as a principle, and I know a lot of TLA members do that as well because I know that easily they could pick it up on the way up here in North Bay or -. They probably could go to their cottage and never come out, you know, for two weeks. Right? But I see a lot of people that are cottagers and people I know, that are members of this, probably are members of this, and they specifically go to Town to support the businesses. And it’s a good thing the road is there.

Interviewer: Yeah.  Well, it’s our Town.  Just because we’re only here for three or four months doesn’t mean - you know, it’s our Town too.

Youngs: Well, I don’t think you’re appreciated, really, in the Town. I don’t really think they know how many people - they should do some kind of survey, like, at the grocery store, where do you live in Temagami? Sign in. Because you know, this kind of people come and go. They really have no idea how much, I would say, economic benefit it is to have people here on the lake; all the lakes, really.

Interviewer: So you’re saying the Road, in Town, has a negative connotation?

Youngs: In Town it does, oh yes. There’s a lot of old people, you know, and they want to go back to the lake boats, they want to go back to the VHF radio.

Interviewer: So that people will use the Town, you mean?

Youngs: Yeah. Well, their concept is they think that people don’t use the Town, but they do. They just have no record of it. I think they should do some kind of statistics, probably Chamber of Commerce, to get out there. It’s kind of late now to do it, but maybe next spring, to say how many people are actually using it, because they do. I lived there year ‘round, I know. After everyone leaves, it’s - And it’s kind of ironic - I’m probably going on a bit here, but - a lot people live in Town, they don’t shop in Town.  You know that probably, right?

Interviewer: No, we don’t.

Youngs: There’s a lot of bad attitude in Temagami. I live in Temagami North, but a lot of people say, “Well, they’re not open all year ‘round in the grocery store, so why should I support them? I need them in the winter, and they’re not open, so I’m going to shop in New Liskeard.”

Interviewer: Yeah, a double standard there. Just to reiterate, you know, the TLA members in general feel that the Town is their town and we do try to support it as much as we can. Obviously we’re upset, I mean, last year when we were coming down towards the last - we’re usually here ‘til the end of October, but we came down on the Friday, where I work in the hospital in Timmins, we’re coming down on the Friday of the Thanksgiving, and they’d closed that day for the year.

Youngs: I don’t know why they did that because they’re missing a lot of the business.

Interviewer: I had to turn around and go back to Tri-Town.

Youngs: Oh, that’s too bad.

Interviewer: What is your vision for the Temagami Access Road and associated landings to balance access, convenience, and services for the users listed above (including TFN), with the Town of Temagami and its local businesses' economic needs? The question really gets at should there be more provision of services at the end of the Mine Road?

Youngs: Well, it would help people quite a bit. I think they should have - like, a washroom would be nice. I haven’t lived here for 20 years, but, I mean, you go shopping and you drive all down the road and you still have to get in your boat and go home, and if you need a washroom, it’s just behind a tree, sort of thing. And I’m amazed they don’t have anything yet.

Candidly, if I lived there, I would be upset at what I’m not getting for my taxes I’m paying. Because you’re not getting much down here. I don’t know, do you get anything?  You don’t even get garbage pickup.

Interviewer: Well, you get the Mine Road.

Youngs: You bring it, and they take it away.

Interviewer: Yeah.  There’s no pickup, if that’s what you mean.

Youngs: I had a couple of notes in case you asked those questions, what there are.

I don’t know if you’ve thought of this, or if the Municipality has. I ran in the 2010 election and I lost by five votes. So I’m just going back again because I’d really love to contribute to the community. I lived here almost 30 years, and now I’m retired, I have lots of time to devote to things, so -.

You know, there are other parts of this area, like, you’re from Kirkland, but Coleman Township and Bass Lake Road, those roads down there, those are chip and tarred roads. So why can’t that be done to the Mine Road?

I know everyone immediately goes, “The cost.” Well, you could do it in phases, like most things. If you do a little bit at a time, it doesn’t hurt as much as laying out millions of dollars, which we don’t have. But I feel, like, you know, so much money is being put into the development of Bear Island, and I think they need a better road.  And so do you.

Interviewer: Right.  Especially this year.

Youngs: So can we not work together? Chip and tar is a lot cheaper than any other option. So that’s an idea. I don’t know if anyone else has that.

Interviewer: No, that’s unique.  Any other issues on the Mine Road or shall we go to the next question?

Youngs: Well, you didn’t sort of bring up parking, but I’m saying maybe institute paid parking, because that would help pay for the chip and tar. And I know the first thing, I’ve been down for about 10 years, the first thing that ever comes up in council is liability and you would have to have an attendant. You know, at the hospital in Liskeard, you just have the automated and then you go in with the machine as well.  You could do something like that, but you might be worried about crime, you know, someone breaking in the machine because it’s got a few dollars. You know, so you have two Crime Watch signs, so I’m thinking I guess they’re not that great to have money at the landing.

But even if you paid an attendant, a summer student I think would be far worth it. You know, how much revenue you would get from the cards, and, to me, I think it’s really just amazing that you can park your car on the Mine Road for weeks at a time, with a boat trailer, with anything you want, and it’s free. You cannot do that anywhere else.

If you go to Killarney, you go up to Thunder Bay, we used to do a lot of camping, our family, and you cannot park like that anywhere. You can’t. So why can you here? And I think people, if they don’t sort of pay for things, they don’t value them.

And it is very unsafe. You know, I remember living here and driving out, and there’s kids and people and dogs, you know, all kinds of stuff getting out and into the trucks, and dust and -. It’s not safe there along the sides of the road, parking.

Interviewer: It hasn’t changed since you left, believe me.

Youngs: No, it hasn’t changed in 30 years, and probably before that. And I really can’t understand why they don’t put paid parking.

Does the TLA support that? I mean, not for you. I mean, for the permanent or people that have property, I don’t think they should pay. But if you have a visitor coming for a month and they want to park the car, you should have some kind of fee.

Interviewer: Just like if you go to Boatline Bay, you’re going to pay there.

Youngs: Exactly. Anywhere, really. Even in Town I tried to - you know, there’s sort of helter-skelter parking all over and you really have no idea whose vehicle it is. Most of them are in front of the beautiful clinic we have. You know, the nice, gorgeous building, and then you have all these derelict - someone’s left their boat there for six months. Yeah, the old thing, it doesn’t have the motor. We’re all like, “Tow it away!”

What happens when you’re in Kirkland Lake and you leave your boat in the parking lot for a month?  Tow it away.

Interviewer: Temagami's pristine natural environment, which the Tenets endeavour to preserve, gives the region a priceless brand that could be sustainably exploited for the broader economic benefit of all stakeholders in the Temagami community. Further development of Crown Lands surrounding the Lake devalues that magical Temagami brand. We also live in a time when new technologies and work patterns might create new more sustainable and clean paths towards prosperity than past drivers of economic growth.  With these thoughts in mind: Do you view the Tenets as a significant inhibitor of economic activity?

Key Candidate Quote - “Well, I don’t really see anyone coming in with economic development, like you’re saying… I would say it is an inhibitor, but that’s what it’s designed for… I think they should just stay the way they are because they protected it very well…” - Margaret Youngs

Youngs: Well, I don’t really see anyone coming in with economic development, like you’re saying. So the Tenets, they’ve been there since, what, ‘96, ‘94? I think they should just stay the way they are because they protected it very well, you know, all these years. I don’t know, is someone trying to access Crown lands to bring in something or -? Why are you worried about it, is what I’m saying, because the Tenets, don’t they protect it?

Interviewer: They do, but, I mean, that’s part of the big election issue this year is that - you know, you’ve probably heard some of this. There’s certainly some powers that be in Town and on council and committees that would like to develop the mainland.

Youngs: The mainland where, in Town?  Because in Town’s okay, right?

Interviewer: That’s right.

Youngs: I only know that because I asked about, you know, the old MNR docks and that nice piece of property, because I’m on economic development, we’re saying you could market it. It’s for sale for a very cheap price, $345,000; everything. But it has to be sold in one - you can’t buy just park. I don’t know why no one has bought it.

But I wondered maybe if that’s what, the Tenets, they were worried that someone was going to come in and put, you know, townhouses or condos like in Huntsville or something.

Interviewer: No, we’re talking about the mainland anywhere, on Lake Temagami in particular.Not Matabichewan, not ...

Youngs: Yeah, I would say it is an inhibitor, but that’s what it’s designed for.

I would like to make one kind of humour comment: nobody knows what Tenets really are. I think the choice that word, I know what it means, it almost has a religious connotation, but it just throws people totally. Like, a Facebook comment I heard was, “Can someone tell me who the tenants are?” Like, they think that they’re renting somewhere, we want to get rid of them. You know? Like, rentals.

Interviewer: So you’d rather have something like the principles.

Youngs: I think it would help you guys because people, as soon as they hear that word, they’re like, “What is it?” And, “Oh, do we want that?” “What is it?” And everybody -.

Interviewer: Okay. No, that’s fine. You’ve made it pretty clear that the Tenets are working because they are preventing mainland development. In other words, the Tenets are an inhibitor of economic activity in that area, but that’s what they’re designed for.

Youngs: Yeah, I just haven’t heard of anyone doing any development.

Interviewer: Oh, they want to. That’s the point.

Youngs: Is it a secret or something? Is it going to be the next council?

Interviewer: If you look at the minutes online of the PAC, you know, the planning committee, some of the council and the attitude that’s been taken when the TLA tried to put their point and view - we sent a very constructive, positive letter, which was not accepted. And for one reason: because there are powers there that want to develop the mainland.  You just have to believe me.

Youngs: Well, are the Tenets up for discussion or are they, like, kind of a law?

Interviewer: Yes, they are.

Youngs: So they can be changed?

Interviewer: That’s the whole idea.  They want to open the official plan ...

Youngs: Well, they have to review that, right?  I read that I think in the Times.

Interviewer: Yeah, but the terms of reference that have been made, they’ve made it very, very clear that part of the reason that they want to open that is that, as you know, the Tenets, the principles, that those three main principles that we have, the TLA has, are the cornerstone of the official plan. They are sacrosanct. They’re like the constitution.

Youngs: Right, that’s what I thought.

Interviewer: But some of the people now, they want to open that and they want them to be revised. That’s why this is such an important election for the TLA and our members, and that’s, quite honestly, the main reason we’re going through there, to get the different candidates’ opinions on that so that we can let our candidates know this is what Margaret Youngs thinks in an honest way. I mean, we’re quite transparent about it. We’re asking everyone the same questions, and some people have different answers than others. So you’ve made it very clear.

Are there other factors that are deterring investment and household formation in the area — for example, do high business and property taxes discourage both "clean" industry and remote workers from relocating to Temagami?

Youngs: Oh, I don’t now what the mill rate is. I think it’s pretty high. I think that probably discourages people. I don’t know exactly how much it is, but I know in North Bay they’re pretty much begging for any kind of development or industrial. So if you have someone coming, looking for a location, you know, they pretty much have a lot of choices, especially in Northern Ontario, because all the way up the corridor - well, you know that when you drive it.

I went to Hearst and you see everybody wants economic development now. You know, they grab at anything, like the marijuana, anything just to get some jobs.

Interviewer: Are you on the economic development, you say?

Youngs: I’m on economic development, yeah. That’s John Harding, and there’s only three of us: Pauline Lockhart and Suzanne Deneault and myself. And there was Ike Awgu, but he was too busy so he opted out. He was a former mayor, you know? He had a lot of good ideas. He’s on some other things and he was too busy, so.

We need more people. It’s very hard to get people on committees. Part of the problem, really, is we’re only in an advisory capacity, so we give our advice, and then it’s up to council as to whether they want to use it. So I think people feel that it’s not very constructive.  It’s very slow getting any ideas from -.

Interviewer: What are the business taxes like?

Youngs: I don’t know, I don’t have a business. I used to have a business. They’re pretty high, I think.  I’m just guessing.

I used to work at the Busy Bee as a cook. Well, I had a career in Toronto as a graphic designer for 18 years. I used to work for Atomic Energy of Canada and a lot of different places. And then when we came up here, we had our lodge, and I love to cook so I used to do a lot of that. And then we sold it, and we decided to stay in Temagami because we loved it so much, and so then I got a variety of different jobs. You know? So I worked at the Bee, and when the owner I worked said it was $10,000 a year for his taxes at the Busy Bee.

Interviewer: That’s a while ago.

Youngs: Probably, yeah. At least; probably 10 years ago that I worked there. Before it kind of went down, it was usually pretty packed. We had people lined outside when I worked there, but he said it was $10,000 a year, which I thought that was quite a lot considering the building.

But then, on the other hand, if you go to Latchford, you know the little trailer there? I forget what it’s called now. It had different names all the time. $1800 a year for taxes.

Interviewer: Right.  Quite a difference.

Youngs: Yeah, I don’t know what the Rock Pine pays. I know they’re not in our election area, but I have no idea. I also worked for the Bickles, I don’t know how long you’ve been coming here, but they used to own Temagami Shores when was a good place to eat and stay.

Interviewer: Oh, sure.  I’ve been coming here 66 years.

Youngs: Okay. Then you must have eaten there. At that time, I think they paid the highest taxes in Temagami. But they have a lot of waterfront, almost goes to the park.  They have extra land, so - So I really don’t know what business taxes are, I really don’t know. Well, I’ve voiced my opinion at council meetings when you have a chance to speak, which is not very often, and I said I find it astonishing that they let the Busy Bee and the Spooner building ride for so long that the taxes owing on those are at least probably a $150,000. Six, seven years they let that run with nobody paying anything. Like, why didn’t the CEO or why didn’t somebody call them on it and put it up for sale when it was still probably more saleable? They just gave it away.  They sold it for, what, $12,000. It’s, like, highway frontage.

Interviewer: Did they?  But they missed out on all those taxes.

Youngs: Yeah. So they need help in the Town office. Seriously, I hope the new guy, treasurer/administrator, I hope he can do something because they’re floundering.

Interviewer: Does the townsite and Municipality of Temagami have the infrastructure to support "sustainable development"?

Key Candidate Quote - “I don’t think so. I don’t think so because, at council meetings, they keep bringing up the condition of the sewage lagoon and the infrastructure of water pipes and sewage pipes, how old they are… Internet could be a problem, I’d say… They really have to fix that up to get any kind of high tech type things in here…Yeah, if someone came in and wanted to start something. There’s been many, many things over the years… That got shot down.  I don’t know why." - Margaret Youngs

Youngs: What do you mean by sustainable development? More cottages, more homes?

Interviewer: Well, within Town, you know, the sewage or the water, does it have that?  You know, if someone does want to come to Town, industry, ...

Youngs: I don’t think so.  I don’t think so because, at council meetings, they keep bringing up the condition of the sewage lagoon and the infrastructure of water pipes and sewage pipes, how old they are. You know, they’ve got a lot of grinder pumps in Town. I don’t have that at my house, but I asked, I said, “Can you not put some more lots on other side of Net Lake, past the arena?” Because there’s waterfront there, you could maybe sell that and get some more taxes. And they said, “Oh, no, no, we can’t do that because the lagoon’s at capacity.”

I don’t know how old they are, but they won’t last forever.

Interviewer: There’s two, aren’t there?

Youngs: Yeah, there’s one off O’Connor, and then there’s one off Cedar in the townsite. So I would say no, they don’t.

Interviewer: In your opinion what constitutes sustainable development?

Youngs: Ideally, if you want to bring in some kind of development, it would be nice if the people who work there also live there. But, in the past, that hasn’t been true, apparently. You know, when I first came there was Sherman Mine, but a lot of the Sherman Mine employees commuted. You know, they commuted from Field or Marten River, Cobalt, Haileybury.

You know, I met some of the retired ones now, and they said, “Oh yeah, I used to work at Sherman.  You know, I used to drive it.”

So, it helps the area, I guess, sustainable, but I think it would be good, if they ever develop anything. I would like to remain hopeful, but the reality is there’s such a drain of youth from Northern Ontario. Well, you probably saw that in the Speaker a while ago, there was I think the survey did in 2006, since then it’s been, I think, 23% less population. Iroquois Falls, all the way up, is less and less youth to work in these -.

Interviewer: Just no jobs. But, I mean, are there things you can combine that are sustainable, economically and environmentally? I mean, you’ve mentioned some of the projects which, for one reason or another, were rejected by the Town, and those were all economically and environmentally, you know, sustainable, it seems.

Youngs: Yeah, but you have to have people in the Town office that can see that and have some kind of vision. They don’t seem to have a vision of what they -. You know, I think it was Margaret Thatcher said something like, you know, “Without order, there’s chaos.” Like, if you don’t have a plan, there’s chaos. It’s helter-skelter, here, there. And that’s the way I feel the Town has been. They don’t seem to have a focus of, okay, do you want your kids all to have jobs here and work here, and your grandkids to live here, but you have no plan on how to create that, how to make it happen or how to sustain it. You have nothing.   There’s no five year plan, there’s no ten year plan.

Interviewer: Okay. They’re sort of going year by year or day by day almost. Is that what you’re saying?  There’s no long term vision.

Youngs: No, doesn’t seem to be. Well, I would like to support a mayor that would like to achieve something and build it back up, if it’s possible. It may be too late, I don’t know. You know, the rules and all the towns all across Ontario, all the towns that are, they’re just downloading more and more costs to the taxpayer in small communities.

Interviewer: The taxes are going up as a result, so then, of course, not attractive.

Youngs: I think there’s ways we could fix it in Town, but they seem quite stubborn not to take advise. They paid for advice from KPMG, which is a pretty prestigious organization, that they spent, what, $20,000 at least to do an assessment of the Town office staff. They recommended, I think, that three major positions were to be eliminated and the CAO could cover, the CAO could do.

I mean, after all, the Town is, what, the population 890 most of the year. We have a huge tax base for the size of this community. It must be - I’m just guessing. I don’t know if you might know - the highest in Canada or Ontario for a town this size, the tax. Well, look how many taxpayers you have since amalgamation?  What do they do with the money?  It’s all very secretive.

I also looked at, what is the payroll? Like, how much of the tax roll is for employee salaries and payments? I can’t get that information. I tried my last election. It’s like hen’s teeth; you cannot get that information. It’s buried, it’s hidden, it’s here, it’s there, it’s under this, it’s under that. And if you look through the budget, you can’t get it. But I am guessing, don’t quote me anywhere, at least 25%, which is kind of astronomical for salaries.

Interviewer: So, as a councillor, would you ...

Youngs: I would chop people from the Town office. I would get people that are more qualified. They promote people to jobs that they don’t have qualifications for, and I think that’s creating a lot of the problems.

So the Mayor and Council, you heard KPMG’s report, and they ignored it and they decided to get another report. So they got a consultant from London, I’m trying to remember his name, he did another one. Another one! He’s just a consultant, like he’s not KPMG. It’s not the same level of prestige or expertise. Came to the same conclusions, and I think it cost another $15,000 for that one. And nobody’s been let go.  A few people have left, but it’s top heavy on the -.

But yet if you ask, they go, “We’re so busy. We need more people.” They’re advertising for another full-time planner, a this, a that.  Oh, come on!

Interviewer: What are the main factors deterring investment and new-comers to the area? Select the top two from the list below: Tenets; business obstacles; property taxes; non-property taxes; internet services; skilled labour; or, other things we might not have listed.

Youngs: Well, probably I’m guessing the taxes.

Interviewer: There’s no wrong or right answer.

Youngs: Yeah, I’m just guessing because I don’t know how they assess someone’s ...

Interviewer: You’re talking about business, you mean the business taxes.

Youngs: Yeah, if someone came in and wanted to start something. There’s been many, many things over the years. You know, Debbie Burrows, who’s a sitting councillor, she had someone who wanted to come, I think, in her family to do water bottling, you know, and call it Temagami Water, probably at the old spring.  That got shot down.  I don’t know why.

And then other people have come along with ideas that have been really great, and they can’t seem to work together to see them. Like, my neighbour was an OPP. He owned horses, and he wanted to have a trail riding at Caribou Mountain.  So it was going to have a barn there.

Well, I used to live in Alberta. There’s huge money in trail rides. Like, people love to go on a trail ride. There’s something about a horse walking through the bush, people will pay for that. There’s a little lake there over by Caribou, you could make a beautiful - they had all these ideas. And he had the money and he had the horses staying at the Forest Products paddocks there. He had a big barn there, he ended up selling it to Forest Products. And it got shot down because two people on the council decided they wouldn’t support it because it was environmentally damaging, the horse pee. Like, I think horses have been longer than us in the world, but -.

And he was so devastated, their family. They came so close to having a great business.  And, you know, anything like that would have been beneficial.

Interviewer: That’s eco-tourism, really, isn’t it?

Youngs: This was maybe , I don’t know, 15 years ago maybe.

There’s a lot of other lakes in the region, there’s a lot of other areas, you know, that I think most people, if you wanted to bring in a business, you would want, sort of, more highway access than here.

Interviewer: Yeah. I mean, the Tenets are to the Lake Temagami community. They have nothing to do with the Town, they have nothing to do with Cassels, they have nothing to do with Net.

Youngs: Ummhmm.  But I see they’ve adopted your Tenets, Cassels and Cala.

Interviewer: Cassels did. I know Doug Adams was pretty instrumental in doing that. Yeah, no, I agree.

Youngs: Internet could be a problem, I’d say. Like, I know a lot of people think there’s an influx of people coming in from Toronto, running their business from their cottage, but you know the internet is pretty bad here. Even in the townsite, I pay for extra for high speed and it’s still pretty sad, really. They really have to fix that up to get any kind of high tech type things in here.

Skilled labour’s hard to find anywhere in Ontario. The other one was the apprentice school, they wanted to buy Temagami Shores. At the very last, the 11th hour, got shot down by something.  I don’t know what happened with the Town, but that guy had a lot of money and he wanted to bring a school, like a carpentry trade school to Temagami, which would have been fantastic in that location. To buy the hotel and turn it into a school? They gave him so much grief. I don’t know all the details, but I’m just guessing that. He left and now his school is in London. It’s, like, huge across Canada. Very well known now.

So these are all things, they were eco - I think the TLA would have supported

Interviewer: Will further Crown Land lot development on or near Lake Temagami generate lasting /re-occurring economic activity on a meaningful basis?

Key Candidate Quote - “Well, it depends what it is. I don’t know, I think it would depend what it is, that would be the economic activity. I’m still not sure on that one. I don’t even know how you would get access to any Crown land.” - Margaret Youngs

Youngs: “On or near,” what do they mean, on the Mine Road? It says “on or near Lake Temagami.” I thought they were going to do something with Shining Wood Bay.

Interviewer: Yeah, the TFN are, aren’t they.  You know, when they do finally come to their agreement with each other, really, that’s where their proposed site is.

Youngs: So that would create economic activity.  I’m not sure on that one.

Interviewer: Well, the question was, if you were to, say, take the lake, which has its Tenets, and if you were to break those Tenets and start developing on Crown land, do you think that would help sustain the area or would it deter, detract from it?

Youngs: Well, it depends what it is. I don’t know, I think it would depend what it is, that would be the economic activity. I’m still not sure on that one. I don’t even know how you would get access to any Crown land.

Because when I was on EcDev with Ike Awgu, I said, on the Sherman Mine Access Road, why don’t the open up some land on the right side, because you get more taxes from an industrial park than trying to get ten cottages or something.  Right?  And he said, “It would take years.”

Well, he worked for the MNR for 30 years. So he said, “Well, you can apply.” I guess there’s a process, you can apply and ask for Crown land to be opened up, but the process and how many years it would take -. So I don’t know, it would be a lot of work to open up any Crown land on Lake Temagami, that’s for sure.

Unless you’re TFN, could they do it? Do they adhere to the Tenets, TNF?

Interviewer: No.  You know, they’re obviously Federal.

Youngs: Okay.  So their property doesn’t count.

Interviewer: That’s between them and - you know, that area presumably on Shining Wood Bay is obviously going to be on the water. So that’s allowable, and we have no problem wi that. That’s their business, and, you know, we support Bear Island and we certainly wouldn’t push back on that.

Interviewer: Keep Temagami Beautiful respects the rights of patent property owners. Likewise, we are opposed to any additional development of the Lake Temagami mainland as detailed in the tenets. With this in mind would you support development of the Ferguson Point and Ferguson Mountain properties if development included the purchase of the adjacent waterfront Crown Land strip from the province?

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Interviewer: Conflicts of interest arise in many different ways, some overt and others less obvious. The clear avoidance of conflict of interest, or even the appearance of a conflict, on the part of public officials is essential to building trust among your constituents, to providing good governance and to attracting and enabling sustainable economic development.

Bearing that in mind, keeping in mind your [current] professional occupation and/or your ownership in any business or other entities that are active in the municipality, do you have, either directly or indirectly, any conflicts of interest and, if elected, how will you manage these conflicts?

Key Candidate Quote - “I don’t think I have any conflicts of interest, and I would definitely, I guess, recuse myself from anything if I was a councillor if I could see any conflicts…I mean after all, the Town is a population 890 most of the year. We have a huge tax base for the size of this community. It must be - I’m just guessing I don’t know if you might know - the highest in Canada or Ontario for a town this size. Well look how many taxpayers you have since amalgamation?  What do they do with the money?  It’s all very secretive.” - Margaret Youngs

Youngs: I don’t think I have any conflicts of interest, and I would definitely, I guess, recuse myself from anything if I was a councillor if I could see any conflicts. It’s a little bit maybe hard, I think, in the past for people because it’s a small town and there’s a lot of people that are maybe infringing on things that would be affected by your council decisions, but that’s pretty unavoidable, really.

Interviewer: Would you vote to maintain all the Tenets in any developed O.P. for the Municipality of Temagami?

Key Candidate Quote - "I don’t know why would they want to re-write the official plan? Good heavens! Well, I’m an artist. I’d like to protect this lake (all the lakes), because it is a magical place." - Margaret Youngs

Youngs: I don’t know, why would they want to re-write the official plan? Good heavens! Well, I’m an artist. I’d like to protect this lake because it is a magical place. Everyone that’s lived here, comes here. When we had our business, you know, I had a man come, he came to - I think it was Chimo, or one of the camps when he was ten from Ohio, and he was 82; he came back to see the lake before he died. You know, this was his dream to come back to this lake from Ohio, after all those years. You’ve been here so many years that it’s part of you. You don’t want it to change.

Interviewer: So obviously you will vote to keep them. Believe me, there is a move afoot, they are going to open the official plan, and the Tenets will come under there.

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